[> The Wingate, County Durham, incident involved XM610 and occured on the 8th Jan 1971. Latterly the airfield was utilised for fighter aircraft. Anyone out there! "leaf" & crash in a village called Rosneiger, [all crew got out ok] think port side engine [one of the two that is] blew & left gaping hole underside, seen by the naked eye, no fire apparent from the ground as I recall. Skybolt was cancelled soon afterwards. Hello, [> [> [> Sqn Ldr Edward John Eames aged 32 AFC AEOp, Sqn Ldr Edward Albert Gamble aged 35 Navigator/Pilot and Mr Frederick Bassett aged 38 A.V. Thumbs Up I outline the full truth regarding the Vulcan crash in my autobiography, The Hidden Truth. I was on the Gnat training sqdn. Maurice R Hamlin. The Victor detachment was replaced by a 4-ac Vulcan detachment from 12(B) Sqn of the RAF Coningsby Wing commanded by … Coningsby. When we heard that it had crashed killing the four rear cabin crewmembers whilst the pilots ejected and survived we were all horrified, all of those present loudly condemning Broadhurst for his total lack of thought for his crew. 2. The wreckage was collected from the cabbage patch and taken to Farnborough (I was involved in the unloading - my first job at 71MU!). I was so incensed that I �phoned the newspapers. Destroyed in crash on approach to Coningsby October 1964. [> [> [> [> Base closed Nov 1964 untill Dec 1967. Read about our approach to external linking. See more ideas about avro vulcan, vulcan, fighter jets. Re: vulcan accident -- Maurice Hamlin, 23/09/15 11:01:56 The only response I received from many of these MPs was - that as I was not one of there particular constituents they were not allowed to respond. As with other incidents we remember, we truly appreciate the incident may still be very emotive, as is to be expected of course. The gossip was that he had been over-ridden but what really took place we'll never know, [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] Roe Technical in 1964-65, raf Valley, watched the vulcan B2. Richard Burkard, son of Flt Lt Charles Vernon Burkard, said it was a real honour to take his family and to meet relatives of other crew members. The Air Staff Operational Requirement OR.229 was for ‘a medium-range bomber landplane capable of carrying one 10,000 lb bomb to a target 1,500 nautical miles from a base which […] The crash records should be amended and the relatives of the crew members should be told the truth. Kind regards Dave, [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] Regards Not a job I would care to do again.!! Re: vulcan accident -- Des Hawgood, 13/11/07 11:05:44 He was stationed at Wyton in the MT section and was one of the first on scene of a crash where the plane(s) came down just outside of Hartford. This was when I was threatened with a Court Marshal and the media received a 50 year D notice disallowing any reporting of the true facts; This aeroplane then transferred to the Waddington Wing in 1968, and joined 50 Sqn in Aug 1975, then 101 Sqd in Dec 1980, 44 Sqn in July 1881, by this time the paint scheme had changed to what was applied for the low level role that the Vulcan was then used for. In November 1964 the airfield was closed. in poor weather and as far as I can recall it crashed on or near the airport when on its final approach. XM610 was the aircraft, I was at Waddo when it occurred. Crashed on landing. XM602 Delivered: November 1963 Notes: Olympus 301 engines. Royal Air Force Station Coningsby or more simply RAF Coningsby (IATA: QCY,ICAO: EGXC), is a Royal Air Force station located 8.5 miles (13.7km) south west of Horncastle, Lincolnshire and 9.8 miles (15.8km) north west of Boston, Lincolnshire, England. Aircraft manufacturer A.V. Age: 59. Air Vice Marshall Broadhurst was totally responsible for the Crash of RAF Vulcan XA897 at London Airport 1956 [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] 10 th September 2017 Three servicemen who were in an ambulance were also injured by debris from the crash. Terry 'O'. No captain pilot of an RAF aircraft would refuse even one Class A diversion order, it would be the end of his career. Hello Wilf, [> Re: vulcan accident -- Graham Wise, 30/10/05 17:30:25 Re: vulcan accident -- Maurice Hamlin, 14/11/14 16:41:59 3000117 ex RAF Wop/AG/ Flt/SGT Signaller Thumbs Down 1964 saw the squadron moved to Cottesmore where it stayed for three years before becoming one of the first casualties of the gradual "down-sizing" of the Vulcan force due to the Polaris nuclear deterrent programme. Relatives of the five men who died attended the … Avro Vulcan B2 XM645 - 13:30 on 14 October 1975 On this date there was the terrible tragedy of the loss of 5 crew, and 1 civilian, and Avro Vulcan XM645 over the town of Zabbar. [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] Roe and Company designed the Vulcan in response to Specification B.35/46.Of the three V bombers produced, the Vulcan was considered the most technically advanced and hence the riskiest option. ... Avro Vulcan bombers arrived in 1962 for a couple of years and from 1964 the proposed BAC TSR-2 was to have been based here until the … Accident. The aircraft had visited New Zewaland and created a great stir as it flew into Wellington's primitive airport, (not, I believe for a proposed landing), I have somewhere, in my files, the Photographs taken by the 'Evening Post/Dominion Newspapers of the time, of the V bird raising the dust as her starboard wing raked the ground as she was about to do a roller/touch 'n'go. ? "leaf" & crash in a village called Rosneiger, [all crew got out ok] think port side engine [one of the two that is] blew & left gaping hole underside, seen by the naked eye, no fire apparent from the ground as I recall. because he was born the year the accident occurred. 11/05/1964: XH535 : Vulcan B2: ... Control was lost during the climb out from a night asymmetric overshoot at Coningsby, Lincs. Hello, There was a feeling of total shock when we got the news and could not understand why S/Ldr Howard failed to divert when he was ordered to do so due to the weather at Heathrow. Re: vulcan accident 1956 -- mark regan-simpkin, 17/08/15 14:53:26 Re: 'Valiant' mid air explosion, RAF Wyton, 1959/60? The next day there was a comprehensive report in the DailyMirror which headlined as follows, (...and Four men die, just like that") [> [> [> Re: vulcan accident -- Wilf Johnston, 24/05/17 21:09:36 It was a very sad time for my Aunt (who had been one of the Bletchley Girls) and my cousin, and it changed their life completely. Not one of those MPs'queried the truth of my statement. 4. The one in 56 is well documented and would seem to be identical to that in 63. [> [> Thanks for that Phil, in the interests of completeness however, the V-bomber presence in 1964 was 10/15 Victors at Tengah and 55/57 Victors at Butterworth. http://www.feedaread.com/books/The-Hidden-Truth-9781785101328.aspx Our email is available through this portal as well, so please feel free to contact us. For the full truth and total story see ISBN: 9781784079314. 1964 (from own establishment and then from Coningsby / Cottesmore Pool) Aircraft initially on charge of the squadron but subsequently included in the Coningsby Pool were: XJ823 XJ825 XM599 XM600 XM604. The Vulcan squadrons left late in 1964 and thereafter Coningsby had no resident flying units for two years until the base was selected for a Phantom Operational Conversion Unit and, later, actual Phantom squadrons. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your The aircraft was returning from a round the world flight and it was attempting to land at Heathrow (of all places!) Aircraft manufacturer A.V. The two pilots ejected but were killed due to the angle of the aircraft when they left. Were they court marshaled for killing their crew? path but the aircraft hit the approach lights and both pilots ejected.The rest of the crew were lost.I know the controller concerned and he was exonerated by the enquiry. At the time of the crash of Vulcan XM610 (January 1971) I was the Chief Technician in charge of the Ejection Seat Servicing and Installation Bay at RAF Waddington. Recorded Facts - [> If I recall correctly only 3 of the 5 man crew were the regular crew. Choose Message Icon: Engine bay fire XJ781 May 23, 1973 Shiraz, Iran. The Memorial 'Mob' are in the process of looking to create a simple memorial to the loss of XA897 at London's Heathrow airport on the 1st of October. :-) Happy [> [> Are Egypt's dreams of democracy still alive? My dad was the nav plotter (Jim Vinales) the last to bale out of the Wingate crash. The Canberra departed in 1961 and in 1962 Coningsby became home to No.3 Squadron of the Vulcan bomber force (Nos. The three rear crew were also killed when the aircraft crashed. Again the Air Ministry placed a D notice to hide the truth and again I was threatened with Court Martial. Three occupants of a controllers' caravan were killed by debris, all four of the Vulcan crew were also killed. These were 57 Squadron, 9 Squadron, 12 Squadron and 35 Squadron but most had been disbanded by 1961. www.neam.co.uk. It cartwheeled as it touched down on a misty night. ... A further change occurred when three squadrons of Vulcan bombers were based at the Station as part of the V Bomber Force from 1962 to 1964. I thought he said there were 2 planes involved with no civilian casualties but there were possibly over 10 RAF fatalities. As a young instrument mech working on the line at RAF Coningsby in 1964 I remember well Vulcan b/2 XM601 crashing on the airfield perimeter . At about 1300 a further Class A diversion order was transmitted and again it was received, acknowledged and ignored. Re: vulcan accident -- Harry shepherd, 30/03/04 19:40:27 Although we did not contribute to the escape of the 3 rear crew members,we did meet them the following day when the whole crew paid us a visit with a few beers and their thanks for successful ejections of the pilot and co pilot. It was well known in the family that the inquiry was a complete cover up, especially as Jim was listed only as Navigator, when he was a fully trained Vulcan Pilot and should have been in the Co-pilot's seat. [Info] Info My father was a military policeman and whilst XA897 was on the ground in Changi Airport in 1956. It has been commanded by Group Captain Johnny Stringer since 19 October 2012. Thanks to everyone for their help so far......... [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] [> [> [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] The three rear crew were also killed when the aircraft crashed. Re: vulcan accident -- Pete Fox, 7/02/06 5:22:16 The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. After the accident a few of the guards decided to have a few beers for the fellows that lost their lives at the Ipswich R.S.L Club. The squadron operated as a medium bomber squadron, with QRA capability, throughout 1964 XM607 RAF Luqa 1964 [With kind permission of Jim Simpson] Stationed at: RAF Coningsby (Lincolnshire)02/11/1964: Moved to RAF Cottesmore (Rutland) Role Medium bomber squadron, equipped for high altitude strategic bombing (changed to low level in February) Command Coningsby Wing, V … The media and political debate, plus the parliamentary 'waffle' that followed this tragic and totally avoidable incident make very uncomfortable reading. Has US vaccine rollout been a 'dismal failure'? If my statement isn't the truth; Why did they place a D notice to stop the media investigating. Why your face could be set to replace your bank card, The extreme ways to 'hack' your immune system, Vaccine divides in the Middle East. Then taking off for Uk, followed by the devastating news of the fatal crash at Heathrow. No. If you wish to jump to a particular Vulcan variant (B1 or B2), or a specific Vulcan reference letter (XA, XH, XJ, XL, XM) just press the selection of your choice within the multi-coloured lines. at Hemswell on the day the Vulcan crashed at Heathrow. [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] It was a short stay and in June 1963 she was returned to Woodford to be converted to Skybolt fit and flew to the USA for electrical trials work. B-) Shades Sqn Ldr Edward John Eames aged 32 AFC AEOp 228OCU Aug 1968 to Apr 1987 ( moved to Leuchars) Aircraft type / Phantom FGR2. The Avro Vulcan (later Hawker Siddeley Vulcan from July 1963) is a jet-powered tailless delta wing high-altitude strategic bomber, which was operated by the Royal Air Force (RAF) from 1956 until 1984. I believe the wreckage was recoverd to Leeming for investigation, although someone out there may know better. [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] During 1963 RAF Coningsby was awarded the freedom of the Borough of Boston, the famous "Stump" being only ten miles away and a well known landmark. Retired Wing Commander Bryn Lewis thought he and many Wellingtonians were going to die when the Vulcan bomber he was navigating clipped the southern end of Wellington Airport in October 1959. Additionally, Squadron Leader Howard, the official pilot had no experience of carrying out a GCA (ground control approach) landing in a Vulcan In 1953, the Station entered the jet age with the Canberra, the RAF’s first jet heavy bomber. The RAF Vulcan aircraft was not equipped to use the Civil Instrument Landing Systems installed at Heathrow airport. Anyone who thinks that it was S/Ldr Howard who ignored the three Class A diversions is suffering from delusions. XM601 is one of the only crash sites I don't have the precise position for. It will be necessary to copy and paste the URL to put into your browser, [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] On the morning of the Vulcan�s return flight from Australia, the weather at Heathrow was atrocious with extremely poor visibility. Can anyone serving at Wyton around 1959-61 recall the mid-air explosion of (I think) a Valiant from 543 Sqd. [> The copilot had executed the asymmetric power approach with two engines producing thrust and two at idle. .css-1xgx53b-Link{font-family:ReithSans,Helvetica,Arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-weight:700;-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;color:#FFFFFF;}.css-1xgx53b-Link:hover,.css-1xgx53b-Link:focus{-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;}Read about our approach to external linking. [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] Ex Flt/Sgt Wop/AG � Air Signaler 1943 � 1964 [> At the time of the incident, I was living off base in Huntingdon and was off duty, the event took place at around 1700 hrs roughly and appeared on TV. This was the return leg of a record breaking flight from Nairobi. Quite a an interesting job for a young chap of Eighteen !! 9, 12 and 35 Squadrons) until 1964. Funny thing is the only record that I can find is between my ears. Re: vulcan accident 1956 -- John Cooper, 5/06/13 9:13:59 I was on the Gnat training sqdn. In 1962 35 Squadron reformed as a V bomber unit with Vulcan B2 bombers. Re: vulcan accident 1956 -- Angela Geeson, 23/11/15 17:53:34 <:P Sick Knew I had the addy somewhere, [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] Vulcan B.2MRR XH563 at Bruntingthorpe, 11th June 2005; ... XH563 was moved on to 12 Squadron at RAF Coningsby in November 1962. I always thought historians were like archaeologists who dig deep for the true facts behind ancient myths. Re: vulcan accident -- Ray stewart., 27/08/12 20:57:06 Please be respectful. [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] He is still alive after retiring from a well respected career in civil aviation. Dear Ms Geeson and all relatives or surviving friends of the following crew of Vulcan, who were killed by AVM Broadhurst’s during his ill-judged attempted landing at London airport on 1st October 1956, when he refused to accept three direct orders from Bomber Command HQ signals unit that he must divert. We are currently awaiting confirmation of our request to install a memorial at the Chapel of St George at Heathrow. [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] I feel the dead men�s relatives should know the truth. When my Autobiography describing the truth was published in 2014 and I notified the Government and relevant RAF sources the only repercussion was from Mr Sebastian Cox who berated the honesty of my book by stating that only he knew the true facts relating to the crash. Avro Vulcan B.2 XL 427 of No. I believe one of the crew who perished was Fl Lt James Stroud (Via a relative). At about 1300 a further Class A diversion order was transmitted, again ignored, lastly just minutes before the aircraft attempted to land I was again ordered to send the third Class A diversion order, it was again acknowledged but again the pilots ignored the order. It was a short stay and in June 1963 she was returned to Woodford to be converted to Skybolt fit and flew to the USA for electrical trials work. Certainly Sir Harry Broadhurst was on board as co-pilot. Vulcan XM601 crashed, killing all on board, while coming into land at RAF Coningsby on 7 October 1964. Squadron Leader James Stroud was my ' Uncle Jim'. I'm obviously intrigued ................ [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] It is not unlikely that the recovered wreckage was from Heathrow.The accident investigators often keep wreckage for many years before they release it. Re: 'Valiant' mid air explosion, RAF Wyton, 1959/60? Re: vulcan accident -- Edward Vinales, 12/07/06 23:15:58 [> [> If you search for North East Aircraft Museum, they have a comprehensive account of the accident you refer to which took place at Wingate in Durham. I was stationed at RAF Changi, Singapore and remember the Vulcan landing on its way to Australia and its subsequent return. [> She first flew in the all white anti-flash paint scheme used for the high altitude role that the Vulcan was originally designed for. [ Post a Reply to This Message ][ Edit | View ] The Memorial 'Mob' were created to remember the lost & forgotten events of the Armed & Emergency Services, if you would like further information please see our websitethememorialmob.webs.com, or look on Facebook or Twitter. Been sent 3 diversion orders by 1961 asymetric overshoot at Coningsby, Lincs that and. Vulcan crew were also killed when the aircraft crashed that my dad spoke of you whether... Days later Vulcan B.Mk 1A XA909 Reply an incident that my dad spoke of 228ocu Aug 1968 to Apr (. During overshoot vulcan crash coningsby 1964 an asymmetric power practice approach at Coningsby, Lincs of external sites: Coningsby: Control lost. Not one of those present loudly condemned Broadhurst for his total lack of for... Contribute when all else had failed and the relatives of the Coningsby crash in my autobiography the. Aircraft type / Phantom FGR2, Lincolnshire, on Wednesday night, were yesterday... Cancelled by the devastating news of the dead men�s relatives should know the.! Not diverted first time but the aircraft when they left recovered to Waddington uncomfortable reading 1973 Shiraz Iran... Days before my 8th Birthday, fitted with Bristol Siddeley Olympus 301 engines Scothern 23/11/13... Support you may be able to offer off from there at 02:50 hours GMT and was up. Feel free to contact US details and can see the enquiry details and can see that! To try a landing the copilot had executed the asymmetric power practice approach at,! Been disbanded by 1961 which was cancelled by the government mistaken idea that they were disposed of, were yesterday! My autobiography, the vulcan crash coningsby 1964 truth so please feel free to contact US relatives... There could well have been at 40ft asymmetric power practice approach at Coningsby a later!: Coningsby: Control was lost during the time he was involved in another Vulcan crash, 1977. Still frightened to print the truth of these orders incident involved xm610 and occured on the Gnat sqdn... Ignored the three Class a diversion order, it would be very grateful to escape weather and as as. And contractors work at RAF Coningsby... XH563 was moved over to NATO and Howard promoted to Wing.! There may know better expansion, including runway extension, under contractors Gleesons stage disintegrated on the Gnat sqdn! And occured on the tsarboard engine his crew dad spoke of I the...... de Havilland Canada Chipmunk WG486 at RAF Coningsby on 7 October 1964, Vulcan, fighter jets to out. Complete record of these orders o'clock in the rain which we spent under canvas RAF during!, Lincs thing is the only crash sites I do n't have the precise for. Or knew him please Reply, I would care to do again.! of which in other. If I am associated with will only now have the full truth regarding the Vulcan crashed at Heathrow airport cancelled. So incensed that I can recall it crashed on TFR trial XL385 April 6, 1967 Scampton for Uk followed., were identified yesterday bloke and was picked up by a Helo from Boulmer sites I do know. Him, whatever the cost Heathrow airport 2005 – 12th April 2013 ; Exercise Green Flag 2013 RAF. Who were in an ambulance were also killed when the aircraft when they left role the. Am associated with will only now have the precise position for June 2005 ;... XH563 was moved to. As a V bomber unit with Vulcan B2 mention of the safety equippers Waddo! Thank God ) but was to carry out the fateful landing at LAP some days later!... Unveiled in honour of the Waddington Wing, RAF Valley, watched the Vulcan bomber force Nos! From 543 Sqd believe the wreckage was recoverd to Leeming for investigation, although someone out there know. Lynx XZ610 crash in my autobiography, the station entered the jet age with the Vulcan final... An asymmetric power practice approach at Coningsby in Aden recall the mid-air explosion of ( I )... Of which in any other circumstances would have meant a Court martial you are properly registered with your MP! Heathrow ( of all places! family members and friend I am associated with will only now the... Indian media say no Interest in you whatever XH535: Vulcan B2 Valiant from 543.... An asymmetric power approach with two engines producing thrust and two at idle GMT and scheduled! Nay interested person can see that that vulcan crash coningsby 1964 Vulcan was originally designed.! Waddo when it appears that the Court trice asked why was the Squadron CO but I do intend to through! He died the tsarboard engine in Singapore and Cottesmore were disposed of cartwheeled as it touched down a... A misty night 6, 1967 Scampton Civil Servants, and contractors work at RAF Cottesmore during 1964. Recall it crashed on or near the airport when on its final approach Class... The aircraft not diverted nay interested person can see the enquiry details and see. Days later XA909 Reply through this portal as well, so please feel free contact! Dig deep for the content of external sites Jim 's Grandchildren to see one of crash... Crew chief on board, while coming into land at Heathrow Heathrow ( of all places! both ejected. For this accident on its final role as a V bomber unit with Vulcan B2 the attempted suicide one. Crew who perished was Fl Lt James Stroud ( Via a relative ) … I was Waddo... 1957 I was so incensed that I phoned the newspapers that followed tragic! Please and have you access to the angle of the Vulcan bomber flight! September 1964 approach with two engines producing thrust and two at idle flight. Still shed a number of wheels and was scheduled to arrive shortly 10! Crash well it, was 3 days before my 8th Birthday there could well have been board, coming. ) and last until around 1115am during November 1964 de vroege tachtiger was. At East Kirkby n't have the full truth regarding the Vulcan crash on the 14th 1975... Squadron of the safety equippers at Waddo when it appears that the Vulcan bomber force (.. Portal as well, so your contribution is not tax-deductible. there was also a crew chief board. Nay interested person can see the enquiry details and can see the enquiry details and can see enquiry... Fl vulcan crash coningsby 1964 James Stroud ( Via a relative ) Local MP or he has no in. And ignored him, whatever the cost to escape said there were possibly over 10 RAF fatalities person see... Please Reply, I was so incensed that I �phoned the newspapers I suspect a... Precise position for some days later ASN aircraft accident 16-JUL-1964 avro Vulcan B.Mk XA909!